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John’s gospel Post 15 – Quick Pause

September 7, 2013

John 1

Hoorah! We’ve made it to the end of chapter 1!

It just occurs to me. Some people seem to think Jesus was just a man. Let’s just recap on who people said he is just in this one opening chapter:

1. The Word

2. God

3. The creator

4. The Life

5. The Light

6. The one and only son

7. The Lamb of God

8. God’s chosen one

9. Teacher (Rabbi)

10. The Messiah (the Christ)

11. Son of God

12. King of Israel

13. The Son of Man

Tell me if you think I’m wrong, but I think there’s something going on here!!

 

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16 Comments
  1. marcusmaxis permalink

    After Christ was gone I think Peter layed it down plainly so everyone could understand. I mean Peter knew him better than anyone right?

    Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did through him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

    Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

    Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

    Jesus didnt raise himself. God raised him up. Pretty plain dont you think?
    It also says Jesus was a man. Is Peter mistaken on whom he knew so well?
    You might want to rethink.
    Jesus is the Son Of God not God. He is the image of his father. Thats why he ascended to his God and our God. God does not ascend to himself. I mean how wacko is that.

  2. marcusmaxis permalink

    The Trinity doctrine is a doctrine of Man. It is not in the scriptures anyhere. Why?? because it is false thats why. Sooo many people are lead astray by this doctrine. Remember Satan wants to confuse us, destroy us, deceive us, and inslave us to sin. Prove everything!!!!

  3. Hi Marcus

    Thanks for dropping in and sharing your thoughts.

    As you have probably noticed I am blogging my way through John’s gospel at the moment. And there is so much in it, it is taking me some time!

    The post you have commented on was just a summary piece at the end of chapter one with some of the different names given to Jesus just in that one chapter.

    As you say Peter was very close to Jesus. It could be argued as to whether or not he knew Jesus better than anyone else. We do know that there were 3 disciples who were most closely involved with Jesus – Peter James & John.

    So John, who wrote this gospel and who describes himself as the “disciple whom Jesus loved” was also very close to the Lord. So he is perhaps just as qualified to talk about Jesus and who he is.

    Right from the start of the gospel John makes his position clear. He describes Jesus as the Word and says that he was in the beginning, was with God and WAS God. John states his case from the outset.

    The mystery and miracle of the “incarnation” is that Jesus is both God and man. To use one of the names the prophets gave to him he is Immanuel – God with us.

    There was a heresy in the early church that Jesus was never truly a man. Thus though there were times to stress Jesus’ deity there would also be times to stress his manhood.

    Jesus said and did things that made it clear to others that he claimed to be God. He used the phrase “before Abraham was I AM” – using the name of God that no one else would dare utter – about himself.

    He told people that he forgave their sins – something that he and his listeners knew only God could do.

    After 2000 years we might not get the full impact of these things, but his listeners understood exactly what he was claiming. The violent reaction was to what people heard as blasphemy.

    In writing to the Philippians Paul says that Jesus was by very nature God. He gave all that up – to be found as a man. But Paul goes on to say that God has exalted him to the highest place and given him the name above all names that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow. This is the God who says that he is the only true God and that we should have no other gods before him. Yet he calls us to worship Jesus. The only one we should worship is God. Jesus is God.

    I believe that the Bible is clear in its witness as to the deity of Jesus. Those I have mentioned are just a few examples.

    In the things of God we should not be surprised at the mysterious or the miraculous. That these things are difficult to understand does not make them “wacko” as you say.

    To me also the doctrine of the trinity, though the word “trinity” is never used in scripture runs throughout scripture. Perhaps I’ll come back to a longer discussion on that another time.

    As you say “prove everything”.

  4. How does God raise himself from the dead?

    • Well as I do believe in the Trinity I don’t have a problem with that. The Bible talks about 1 God and yet plainly refers to three separate personalities who interact with each other. God the Son prays to God the Father, even asking if it is possible to be delivered from the cross. He cries out to God from the cross in his darkness and finally commits his spirit into God’s hands.

      And yet he says “I and the father are one”. “If you have seen me you have seen the Father”.

      At Jesus’ baptism God speaks and God’s Spirit descends on Jesus – the Godhead all together in that moment.

      Jesus gave up the glories of heaven to become a man. He made himself nothing. He made himself dependent on the guidance of God the Father and the power of the Holy Spirit. He chose that way.

      So I do not have difficulty with God the Father raising God the Son from the dead by the power of God the Spirit.

      • so you are saying that there are three gods in heaven right now?

      • how many are there? Dont give me a link, please answer for yourself. If there are not three gods in heaven then there was no one to raise Jesus from the dead. Please explain. Dont spin.

      • No spin. There is one God. You know the Christian doctrine of the trinity I am sure.

        Presumably then you do not worship Jesus?

      • Sure I do, Christ is my savior. I am asking very simple questions you cant answer. Just answer my question? Whats your problem with that? who raised Christ from the grave? if Christ is dead on earth. And there is only one definition of dead. If christ wasnt dead you have no sacrifice for sins. There is no way around that. The scripture says plainly that Jesus was dead in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. The only way Christ was raised from the dead in your theory is if there is more than one God and there is three gods in heaven. Very simple

      • So you worship someone who you say is less than God, when only God should be worshipped?

        I am answering your questions. This is obviously a fundamental difference in our beliefs.

      • I tell you what you let me know when you want to answer the questions I asked.

  5. Hi Marcus, There is plenty of literature written by Christian theologians between AD60 and the present day which clearly sets out why Jesus had to be divine. I suggest you start with Athanasius’ ‘On the Incarnation of the Word’ written early 4th century. (which can be found at: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf204.vii.ii.i.html). Quite simply, salvation doesn’t work if Jesus is not divine. (And if you don’t think Jesus is divine, you worship a created being).

    Then why not move onto John Calvin’s Institutes (1.13.7), written 16th Century. And if you want something earlier than that, Paul is pretty clear in Col 1:15-20.

    • Like I said. When YOU want to answer the specific questions I asked you let me know.

      • If you’d bother to read those you’d find the answer to your questions. Or are you not actually interested in finding the answer?

        It’s very simple really. There is one God in three persons: Father, Son, Spirit. These are three in one and one in three. A quick search on the doctinre of the trinity will expand this out for you. At the resurrection, God the Father raised God the Son from the dead. Christian theology doesn’t work without this.

        Now would you like to answer our questions about worshiping Jesus, who, in your opinion, created being?

  6. Marcus

    I take it by YOU you mean me.

    I have read back through your questions and as far as I can see I have answered them.

    You ask me a question. I answer it. You tell me to answer the question.

    Sadly we are not going to agree on this. You can’t or won’t listen to my answers.

    You know you are not going to like what I say.

    I refer you to stuff to read – you refuse to read it.

    Another blogger comments and you ignore him.

    He gives you stuff to read and you refuse to read it. Frankly this is all very one sided.

    When you are asked a question you say no.

    I suspect we’ve gone as far as we can with this.

    I’ll pray for you.

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